# Midi return signal instead of OSC **URL:** \ **Category:** OSC/PILOT Bugs And Feature Requests\ **Created:** [August 25, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162 "2020-08-25T06:57:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xxxLIONartxxx](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/xxxlionartxxx/32/77_2.png) [@xxxLIONartxxx](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/xxxLIONartxxx)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 6:57am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/1 "2020-08-25T06:57:13Z")
Hi, i like to control Adobe Lightroom with OSC Pilot and at the same time also with a Hardware Midi Controler. The Problem i have is that OSC Pilot does not support Midi feedback, so I can not see the changes which I made with the Hardware Midi Controler in OSC Pilot. To get this solved, i use an additional Midi to OSC converter and convert my midi signals from the hardware controler to OSC for OSC Pilot, what is unhandy. Is there a technical reason why midi feedback is not supported? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![malcolm](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/malcolm/32/19_2.png) [@malcolm](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/malcolm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/2 "2020-08-26T02:52:32Z")
No technical reason, just hadn’t been needed before for Joel’s shows. I’ve added it to the wishlist though! ---
**Author:** ![ctbrahmstedt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@ctbrahmstedt](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/ctbrahmstedt)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/3 "2020-08-29T21:27:56Z")
Hey, what Midi to OSC converter are you using? I started to build my own, but damn it’s a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![xxxLIONartxxx](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/xxxlionartxxx/32/77_2.png) [@xxxLIONartxxx](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/xxxLIONartxxx)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/4 "2020-08-30T04:28:15Z")
Hi ctbrahmstedt, due some other problems I stopped for the moment to work on the OSC translation topic. But, i tested the program called OSCMatrix from germany and it works for what I tested it, means for encoders and buttons. The negative point is the testversion is time limited for 15min. I received a 30day trial version from the developer. The full version costs approx. 70eur. There are some free programs available but i did not understand how to use them. So I hope OSC Pilot will implement the midi return somehow. ---
**Author:** ![ctbrahmstedt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@ctbrahmstedt](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/ctbrahmstedt)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 5:34am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/5 "2020-08-30T05:34:01Z")
Awesome. Thanks! I actually just figured out a way to do this in Touchdesigner. I don’t think it’s any less roundabout than using OSCMatrix, but at least there isn’t a time limit on Touchdesigner. (Though probably a LOT more CPU overhead) ---
**Author:** ![xxxLIONartxxx](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/xxxlionartxxx/32/77_2.png) [@xxxLIONartxxx](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/xxxLIONartxxx)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/6 "2020-08-30T06:25:10Z")
Yes, i have seen touchdesigner too, but i was a bit afraid to study this program with my english skills. At the moment i put hands on several programs (midi2lr, lightroom, OSCMatrix, copperlan, midiOX, Bome Midi Translator, OSC-Pilot and a lot others) and got a lot of headake, just to get what I want. Maybe touchdesigner can do all what I want, but my time and skills arent not good enough to try it. ---
**Author:** ![ctbrahmstedt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@ctbrahmstedt](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/ctbrahmstedt)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/7 "2020-08-30T18:58:05Z")
Touchdesigner looks scary, but it’s really pretty easy once you get the hang of it. I made a video for you to show you how to setup TD in the way I think you’re looking for. Using TD is probably overkill, but it may work for your application. Let me know if you have any questions or get stuck. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/oscpilot/original/1X/6f0608a2db01933a788d1d6df31994880d7c3b83.jpeg "Sending MIDI to OSC Pilot Using Touchdesigner") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6eN4_U5Upo) ---
**Author:** ![xxxLIONartxxx](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/xxxlionartxxx/32/77_2.png) [@xxxLIONartxxx](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/xxxLIONartxxx)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 9:11am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/8 "2020-08-31T09:11:45Z")
Great, thanks for the movie and explanation. I have to look how I continue with my project due some other issues. ---
**Author:** ![walshtimmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7bcc69/32.png) [@walshtimmy](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/walshtimmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/9 "2020-10-24T23:11:13Z")
Thanks for wish-listing. When you open a session in ableton or command+m twice on an open session, it updates what is on/off and levels of faders in apps like touchOSC. This is literally the ONE thing preventing me from using OSCPilot live, because I have no way of knowing what’s on/off or where values are upon loading. I’ve pulled up OSCulator and TouchDesigner but they both fail to receive the ableton out messages. =( I’m so thankful for this app, I bought it and I really really hope the midi return is a soon added feature. ---
**Author:** ![walshtimmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7bcc69/32.png) [@walshtimmy](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/walshtimmy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/10 "2020-10-24T23:13:01Z")
Wow - nevermind I figured out the ableton message out and will translate in osculator. PLZ keep us posted otherwise thanks!! ---
**Author:** ![Traetech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Traetech](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/Traetech)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/11 "2020-10-25T20:06:40Z")
Peep [ClyphX Pro](https://isotonikstudios.com/product/clyphx-pro/) from Isotonick studios, [OSC Output](https://forum.nativekontrol.com/thread/3620/beta-osc-output-clyphx-pro) is available and works like a dream on the the selected track and device, and updates properly upon changing tracks and devices. Also peep [ClyphX Bindings Extention](https://isotonikstudios.com/product/clyphx-pro-bindings/) that allows change-on-the-fly MIDI assignments. It a game changer for any intermediate/ advance user of Live and crucial for anyone using touchscreens control apps. I eliminated Bome and a ton of CPU hog M4L utility devices, never looking back. ---
**Author:** ![chaosmoon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.oscpilot.com/chaosmoon/32/153_2.png) [@chaosmoon](https://forum.oscpilot.com/u/chaosmoon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.oscpilot.com/t/midi-return-signal-instead-of-osc/162/12 "2021-04-05T00:40:40Z")
+1 for midi feedback